If you've posted in forums you might remember writing some decent responses. I usually spend a lot of time polishing my discussion forum responses depending on the subject or who I am talking to. Often I want to remember what I said about something, but finding the original post can be difficult. So it makes sense to capture the better responses for later review. Welcome to Clint's Reposts.Wednesday, March 17, 2004
What will happen (Politics Forum)
David wrote in a post:
"The war in Iraq ... we will have to put our tails between our legs and go home. It's only a question of time and casualties."
Well of course, he's right. Especially in today's America. People grow tired easily, ever since post WWII. And it's a foregone conclusion that giving up will happen in most of Europe, as we are beginning to see. But this was all predictable. Kerry really does stand a good chance, I see that now.
So what will happen? After all, we are still the infidels. Our values represent to the world of Islam an unallowable fault. Unless we all convert to Islam we are an infestation of the planet. Standing at the ready is an "army" of souls willing to die to put a stop to the seemingly unstoppable influx of our "ideology". We are the enemy. After all, we are talking about gay marriage here in the U.S., while they are still tormented by how much face a woman should reveal. Can anything be more ideologically different than that. Negotiate this!
Yes, it's not a war in the old sense. So how does one fight a highly organized and technological society? In a word, Terror.
It works so well. As we've seen in Spain, a small number of people can effect a sea of change. All Islamic fighters need do is continue this approach of terror, knowing in their hearts - and they've always known this - what David is saying - we will have to put our tails between our legs and go home. Of course it will work. It is going to work, it has worked, and it will work. It is going to work soon now.
The solution to many on this forum, is, as David said, to "abandon our delusions that we can control the world and focus on improving and defending ourselves. Work with our allies to bring terrorists to justice--real American-style justice."
I'm not exactly sure what David has in mind, since we can't allow the government to usurp personal liberties while improving and defending, and it is small groups of infiltrators we are talking about here. I'm not sure what work we will do with our allies that will fend off terror, but with President Kerry at least we will be firm in our civilized approach to proper terror fighting unlike "bring em on" Bush. Perhaps Kerry will invite them in for tea.
Well, in any case, here is what is going to happen:
Kerry is going to be elected (unless something we don't know about him nails him) for the same reason that Spain elected a new government--an group emotional reaction that can best be summed up as "stop the madness now". Life will settle into a kind of semi-pleasant American Dream repose for awhile as we take some comfort in our "diplomatic with liberty and justice for all" approach to terror. We will turn inwards, perhaps even get our deficit spending headed back in the right direction, come to terms with gay "marriage", and oh so many domestic issues--kind of like Queer Eye for the Domestic Guy. We'll have faith that our intelligence is detecting, controlling, and stopping terrorist's on our soil (with some hand wringing about liberties lost). The markets will go up. The Euro will go down.
We will mend fences with the U.N., will read believable news reports of how good a job the government's of the world are doing "taking care" of the terrorist situation, see pictures of leaders smiling and shaking hands. But all the while, let's not forget, we are still the enemy of Islam. Nothing much will happen on the terror front during this time because we as a nation are quiescent and generally non-threatening. The Saddams of the world will proceed unmolested to consolidate their territorial claims. Mass graves will not be known about for the most part, because sovereignty is respected. Shredding machine exports will increase.
Our enemies will be pleased, as during this time the technological pipeline will be quietly supplying them with the REALLY destructive firepower needed to wage the kind of battle needed to convert us - to make believers out of us, or to get rid of us. Haven't they made that perfectly clear?
During the 8 years of "new speak" diplomacy, new terrorist groups will be trained and new technology will be acquired by the believers. No longer will it be necessary--though still useful, however--to use airplane bombs or even shoot down airplanes to create terror. When the time is right--likely when the next republican is elected--a nuclear blast will level a large U.S. or European city. Perhaps it will have come from Korea, China, Pakistan, or even in parts, from the U.S or Germany or France. We won't really know until after the fact because our belief in intelligence had not been taken seriously since the war in Iraq--no politician wants to be accused of lying. We will enter a new phase of this conflict. I'm sorry but I'm not sure what happens after that. The crystal ball has gone dark.
Ladies and Gentleman, I hope you are right and I am wrong. I really do.
C
"The war in Iraq ... we will have to put our tails between our legs and go home. It's only a question of time and casualties."
Well of course, he's right. Especially in today's America. People grow tired easily, ever since post WWII. And it's a foregone conclusion that giving up will happen in most of Europe, as we are beginning to see. But this was all predictable. Kerry really does stand a good chance, I see that now.
So what will happen? After all, we are still the infidels. Our values represent to the world of Islam an unallowable fault. Unless we all convert to Islam we are an infestation of the planet. Standing at the ready is an "army" of souls willing to die to put a stop to the seemingly unstoppable influx of our "ideology". We are the enemy. After all, we are talking about gay marriage here in the U.S., while they are still tormented by how much face a woman should reveal. Can anything be more ideologically different than that. Negotiate this!
Yes, it's not a war in the old sense. So how does one fight a highly organized and technological society? In a word, Terror.
It works so well. As we've seen in Spain, a small number of people can effect a sea of change. All Islamic fighters need do is continue this approach of terror, knowing in their hearts - and they've always known this - what David is saying - we will have to put our tails between our legs and go home. Of course it will work. It is going to work, it has worked, and it will work. It is going to work soon now.
The solution to many on this forum, is, as David said, to "abandon our delusions that we can control the world and focus on improving and defending ourselves. Work with our allies to bring terrorists to justice--real American-style justice."
I'm not exactly sure what David has in mind, since we can't allow the government to usurp personal liberties while improving and defending, and it is small groups of infiltrators we are talking about here. I'm not sure what work we will do with our allies that will fend off terror, but with President Kerry at least we will be firm in our civilized approach to proper terror fighting unlike "bring em on" Bush. Perhaps Kerry will invite them in for tea.
Well, in any case, here is what is going to happen:
Kerry is going to be elected (unless something we don't know about him nails him) for the same reason that Spain elected a new government--an group emotional reaction that can best be summed up as "stop the madness now". Life will settle into a kind of semi-pleasant American Dream repose for awhile as we take some comfort in our "diplomatic with liberty and justice for all" approach to terror. We will turn inwards, perhaps even get our deficit spending headed back in the right direction, come to terms with gay "marriage", and oh so many domestic issues--kind of like Queer Eye for the Domestic Guy. We'll have faith that our intelligence is detecting, controlling, and stopping terrorist's on our soil (with some hand wringing about liberties lost). The markets will go up. The Euro will go down.
We will mend fences with the U.N., will read believable news reports of how good a job the government's of the world are doing "taking care" of the terrorist situation, see pictures of leaders smiling and shaking hands. But all the while, let's not forget, we are still the enemy of Islam. Nothing much will happen on the terror front during this time because we as a nation are quiescent and generally non-threatening. The Saddams of the world will proceed unmolested to consolidate their territorial claims. Mass graves will not be known about for the most part, because sovereignty is respected. Shredding machine exports will increase.
Our enemies will be pleased, as during this time the technological pipeline will be quietly supplying them with the REALLY destructive firepower needed to wage the kind of battle needed to convert us - to make believers out of us, or to get rid of us. Haven't they made that perfectly clear?
During the 8 years of "new speak" diplomacy, new terrorist groups will be trained and new technology will be acquired by the believers. No longer will it be necessary--though still useful, however--to use airplane bombs or even shoot down airplanes to create terror. When the time is right--likely when the next republican is elected--a nuclear blast will level a large U.S. or European city. Perhaps it will have come from Korea, China, Pakistan, or even in parts, from the U.S or Germany or France. We won't really know until after the fact because our belief in intelligence had not been taken seriously since the war in Iraq--no politician wants to be accused of lying. We will enter a new phase of this conflict. I'm sorry but I'm not sure what happens after that. The crystal ball has gone dark.
Ladies and Gentleman, I hope you are right and I am wrong. I really do.
C
