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Nothingness vs. Somethingness (Religious Forum)
I am 'nothing' without good old cunundrums. Tao wrote of the Buddhist approach to reality but I couldn't help but be inspired by what it would mean to turn the whole thing around. -C
>Let’s look at some of the basics of Buddhism. (Tao)
Let's look at an alternative view of Buddhism. (Clint)
>1. Nirvana is the ultimate state = nothingness
We must learn to let go of this world and recognize the impermanence of all things. All material things break-down, wear out, or deteriorate. Therefore, because nothing is permanent, it is that nothing which is reality.
1(cl). Somethingness is the ultimate state = Anavrin
We must learn to grab hold of this world and recognize the rebirth of all things. All material things break-down, wear out, or deteriorate, but things are reborn. Therefore, they are the mother of nothingness and without the rebirth of somethingness, nothingness could not exist. Therefore, somethingness is the ultimate state.
>2. Salvation is one's self and one's works
I need not look to another’s actions for my own salvation. Salvation is in my perception and comes through my own works. One must change their perception to see a sense of ultimate truth, that truth is that there is nothing that we need salvation from except for ourselves.
2(cl). Salvation is the light from which nothingness drinks
By joining with others in perception, and through our combined creation, we enable somethingness, without which nothingness would have no meaning or place. One must change their perception to see a sense of ultimate truth, that truth is that there is something that we create together that causes nothingness.
>3. There is no hell in the biblical sense
In a sense we are already in hell. We must change our perception to ascertain nirvana and thus be free from suffering (i.e. hell). I am not punished if I do not strive for betterment, I am simply not rewarded.
3(cl). There is heaven in the biblical sense
In a sense we are already in heaven. We must change our perception to ascertain Anavrin and thus be bound by happiness (i.e. heaven). I am rewarded if I strive for betterment, and nothingness must attend the birth of my striving to provide a backdrop for the reward.
>4. Impersonal force (i.e. the Tao), no God
There is no God, the idea of God is itself an attachment and attachments will lead to suffering.
4(cl). Personal force (i.e. the Oat), God
There is a God, the idea of God is the recognition of symbiosis between nothingness and somethingness. Attachments will lead to both joy and suffering. It can not be otherwise if you wish to know joy. And joy is the mother of nothingness and is also nothingness's offspring.
>5. No moral absolutes
Moral Relativity. See my Dialogue with Idahogirl if you want more on this.
5(cl). Moral absolutes
Morality exists. Beauty exists. How could it be otherwise? Nothingness is indebted.
>6. World is an illusion
As I said before, the only reality is that there is nothing. Everything we see is an illusion in the minds eye, which is brought to life through our perception.
6(cl). World is a reality
As I said before, the only reality is that there is something. Everything we see is what we see in the minds eye, which is brought to life through our perception out of nothingness.
>7. Ignorance is the problem
There is no sin just ignorance.
7(cl) Enlightenment is the solution
There is no sin in enlightenment nor in ignorance. Ignorance is nothingness, and enlightenment pushes into nothingness.
>8. Desire needs to be eliminated
Desire leads to suffering. If we have desires and those desires are not met, then we will ultimately suffer and be let down.
8(cl). Desire needs to be increased
Desire leads to joy and creativity, the partner of nothingness. If we have desires and those desires are met, we will ultimately know joy and be lifted up. The partnership of nothingness is enhanced.
C
>Let’s look at some of the basics of Buddhism. (Tao)
Let's look at an alternative view of Buddhism. (Clint)
>1. Nirvana is the ultimate state = nothingness
We must learn to let go of this world and recognize the impermanence of all things. All material things break-down, wear out, or deteriorate. Therefore, because nothing is permanent, it is that nothing which is reality.
1(cl). Somethingness is the ultimate state = Anavrin
We must learn to grab hold of this world and recognize the rebirth of all things. All material things break-down, wear out, or deteriorate, but things are reborn. Therefore, they are the mother of nothingness and without the rebirth of somethingness, nothingness could not exist. Therefore, somethingness is the ultimate state.
>2. Salvation is one's self and one's works
I need not look to another’s actions for my own salvation. Salvation is in my perception and comes through my own works. One must change their perception to see a sense of ultimate truth, that truth is that there is nothing that we need salvation from except for ourselves.
2(cl). Salvation is the light from which nothingness drinks
By joining with others in perception, and through our combined creation, we enable somethingness, without which nothingness would have no meaning or place. One must change their perception to see a sense of ultimate truth, that truth is that there is something that we create together that causes nothingness.
>3. There is no hell in the biblical sense
In a sense we are already in hell. We must change our perception to ascertain nirvana and thus be free from suffering (i.e. hell). I am not punished if I do not strive for betterment, I am simply not rewarded.
3(cl). There is heaven in the biblical sense
In a sense we are already in heaven. We must change our perception to ascertain Anavrin and thus be bound by happiness (i.e. heaven). I am rewarded if I strive for betterment, and nothingness must attend the birth of my striving to provide a backdrop for the reward.
>4. Impersonal force (i.e. the Tao), no God
There is no God, the idea of God is itself an attachment and attachments will lead to suffering.
4(cl). Personal force (i.e. the Oat), God
There is a God, the idea of God is the recognition of symbiosis between nothingness and somethingness. Attachments will lead to both joy and suffering. It can not be otherwise if you wish to know joy. And joy is the mother of nothingness and is also nothingness's offspring.
>5. No moral absolutes
Moral Relativity. See my Dialogue with Idahogirl if you want more on this.
5(cl). Moral absolutes
Morality exists. Beauty exists. How could it be otherwise? Nothingness is indebted.
>6. World is an illusion
As I said before, the only reality is that there is nothing. Everything we see is an illusion in the minds eye, which is brought to life through our perception.
6(cl). World is a reality
As I said before, the only reality is that there is something. Everything we see is what we see in the minds eye, which is brought to life through our perception out of nothingness.
>7. Ignorance is the problem
There is no sin just ignorance.
7(cl) Enlightenment is the solution
There is no sin in enlightenment nor in ignorance. Ignorance is nothingness, and enlightenment pushes into nothingness.
>8. Desire needs to be eliminated
Desire leads to suffering. If we have desires and those desires are not met, then we will ultimately suffer and be let down.
8(cl). Desire needs to be increased
Desire leads to joy and creativity, the partner of nothingness. If we have desires and those desires are met, we will ultimately know joy and be lifted up. The partnership of nothingness is enhanced.
C
